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“The naturalization of the Islamic preacher Sheikh Wajdi Ghneim is an honor for Bahrain because of the high weight of the scientific, religious and cultural achievements he has made. That is in addition to his significant contributions to serve the (Muslim) nation in international media.”
- Representative Council Member Dr. Salah Ali Mohammed via AlWasat
So we evidentially had enough with Singers and Sportsmen, we should halt the naturalization of uneducated underprivileged bedouins from the deserts of Jordan and Syria. It is now officially an “honor” for the country to naturalize radical jihad instigator militant clerics that are kicked out of countries and banned from entering others for accusations relating to their connection to illegal funding of terrorist organization, and other crimes of spreading hatred and racism in addition to very tolerable fanatical muslim thoughts.
For those of you who (like me) were ignorant of the “contributions” of the ever so famous Sheikh Wajid Ghiem, I note the following:
I know for a fact that this issue will go unnoticed. And I might have been repeating this in my last posts, but how exactly is this happening? How were we transformed from a nation that once was so politically active and aware to this uncaring insensible blundering nation that can not really think beyond its basic needs and perpetually nags about such insignificant issues in the face of crimes being committed against the people, the land and the identity of the country?
How and when were we exactly silenced, is a question I can’t seem to find an answer for.
However much this malicious policy of naturalisation is incensing, i’d advise not to quote right-wing neocon sites like Pipeline news or CAIR watch. After all, even Cat Stevens (Yousif Islam) former hemp-munching peace activist and similarly, Tariq Ramadan have been denied entry into the US and accused of being terrorist supporters. This is not to detract from the criticism you pose against the policy of the ad-hoc naturalisation of foreign sychophants at the expense of completely ignoring homegrown candidates who receive no recognition at all.
“Contribution” they say, u’d think he found the cure for cancer!
Wow .. moodz, OK I am against naturalization and I loath this guy, calling for jihad was uncalled for by him but to consider sponsoring hamas an act of terrorism is anti Palestinian ! Come on mate sponsoring hamas shouldn’t be considered as a terrorist act by you ! :O Surely you’ve just quoted right wing radical agencies ! :S
Have you ever heard his “Fatawa” on Bahrain TV during Ramadhan?
You will be shocked
Munther, HAMAS is a terrorist group in the United States. And in most of Europe, as well. This man was IN the United States when he was raising money for and promoting HAMAS.
Why is it you don’t consider HAMAS a terrorist group, by the way? DO they not suicide bomb random innocent victims? Or are you one of the people who thinks all Israelis are guilty and deserve to die? Sorry, that last may have been uncalled for, but I can’t think of any reason an object person would exclude HAMAS as a terror organization when they are guilty of all the same acts that other terror organizations are guilty of.That’s just crazy. And you are the person standing here complaining about bias? Give me a break.
BB, what does an admitted mistake involving Cat Stevens have to do with this man? Has anybody admitted to mistaking him for somebody else? Has anybody admitted they were wrong in the allegations made about him?
Or are you just deflecting attention? The old smoke and mirrors gag? That’s only going to work with people who want to be fooled. Just so you know.
Moodz, I guess you know why nobody is saying anything now, though, eh? :O
There is no problem with this guy and with others like him. The fault is with their accusers.
@BB:
What’s wrong with quoting “right-wing neocon sites”? While it’s true that they show only one side of the story, I wouldn’t really assume all noted facts in such sites as manipulated work of fiction or lies.
If we overlook the controversial issue here of “financing HAMAS” (which is really a debate on the legitimacy of suicide bombings against civilians in Israel), I’d note that this clown was previously arrested in Egypt for his involvement in the “Islamic Brotherhood Movement” which is suspected of being responsible of various home made bomb attacks around Egypt.
For more on this clown, do take the time to go through this and this.
Not uncommon for religious leaders to speak against other cultures in the United States. Even David Duke a former member of the KKK found his way to Iran to speak on the international subject that the Holocaust did not occur. He was one of the few Americans that were sought out to give his opinion on this situation. So the Sheikh Wajid Ghiem was asked to leave the US on grounds of religious vias. HAMAS receives a large portion of contributions from within the US.
What is really amazing is the fact that the American Islamic community does not make efforts to inform any government agencies or law enforcement about such people. “Out of sight, out of mind.” If US law enforcement begins to monitor or observe such events then this community is the first to cry “foul and infringement of American rights.” Money is constantly being sent to various terrorist organizations through “charities”. These group use the freedom of religion to support terrorist groups and possible give shelter to sleeper cells already placed within the US borders.
When David Koresch claimed that he was the second coming of Jesus Christ most people thought the man was just a nut case. But he started to sell his idea and soon a few hundred people bought into the idea and create a commune called the “Branch Davidian Compound.”
He then proceeded to buy large amount of weapons, ammunition, and explosives. The local UPS station informed the Federal government when a package going to the commune was found carrying live hand grenades. Agents were sent in and the rest was history.
A large scale fire fight began killing several ATF agents and dozens of followers were wounded. Tanks were sent in and the followers set fire to the compound killing the majority of people including dozens of small children.
This guy was claiming to be a God fearing Christian, yet he allowed the situation to unfold into a bloodbath. Regardless of the religious beliefs or culture, if a person is calling and promoting the destruction of a specific gorup of people then the government has the right to take notice and if nothing else monitor the situation.
We use to worry about the Russians launching a nuclear strike against us. But sooner or later someone with a death wish will park a van carrying a former Soviet nuke and blow up a major US city.
PS: Moodz, I broke down the paragraphs so you wouldn’t lose sleep on the editing portion…take care.
@ Craig: Its amazing how people in the western world world considers hamas as terorrests and ignore the fact that Israel itself is a terrorist nation !
If you were my friend unbiased as you claim, Why ignore the Israeli attacks on civilians then ? if hamas as a militia was a terrorist organization than it is fair to say that Israel as country is big hub of terrorists !
It is well documented my friend; throughout history; and there is no need for me to go on how the Israeli army killed women, children and old folk who I guess you won’t consider civilians just because they were Arabs ? Israel have killed civilians in Lebanon and Plastine for ages and all what the western world did is turn their heads away !
And don’t get me started on the media over there, when will you wake up and discover that its just a big propaganda machine with one goal only, which is to justify the US’s and it’s allies crimes “including Americas Love Child Israel” by putting tainted glasses over the peoples eyes ! and the usual kak your media would come up with would be like “oh there were militants hiding over there” or “Civilians are used as human shields” This is all Bullshit !COME ON! Wake up ! And stop defending the oppressor !
So if neither of the Countries claiming that they were fighting the good fight for democracy nor the UN is welling to pull their fingers out of their backsides what is lift for the unarmed people to do ? Of course they’ll use violence, of course they’ll fight ! If the same thing happened to you; my friend; would you not have done the same ? If your little brother who went to buy a soda was shot, if your mother was harassed by soldiers just because they can and if your land was either illegally confiscated or your crops were destroyed would you not have done the same ? If your basic human rights were taken away from you would you have not done the same ?
Its all nice and dandy to set on a sofa in safeville and agree with what ever junk is dished out to you on Fox News, of course it is !
Do some research man ! And you’ll see who the real terrorists are !
And here is a friendly tip from me go and google “Qana massacre” or “Israeli crimes against humanity” use the photo search and then comeback to me and preach about Hamas being terrorists !
Santa ’s coming to town!
@ Munther
I do not think that all of the West believes that Israel did not commit crimes against innocent people. In any war or military conflict the innocent will always suffer the most. No matter how many times you attempt to keep rounds from hitting innocent civilians sooner or later that event will happen. What makes the “West” fear groups like HAMAS is not the fact that a portion of their support goes to rebuild schools, medical sites, and give social services to the needed, it is their support and promote the use of suicide attacks, car bombs, rocket/mortar attacks against civilian targets. Has there ever been a reported case where troops fired into innocent civilians?
Of course, history has tons of such cases just about for every army and during every armed conflict. The difference is that many western nations place a great deal of time and effort to teach their Soldiers not to harm non-combatants. But if you set up a rocket in the middle of a school yard and fire it and when it is destroyed along with the school, you can’t cry that this is unfair and cruel when innocent civilians are allowed or encouraged to stay around the weapon. That is a common tactic used by insurgents in Iraq.
Why give credit to people who will kill hundreds of innocent people just for the sake to kill one Soldier? Does that body count justify the final outcome?
No country is perfect and no one is claiming to be.
How on earth would you know that ? I assume again FOX news eh ? Schools how clever is that ? of course they’ll say schools to justify the “accidental” killings of the civilians ! And yes, for your own information my friend, their troops tend to attack civilians as well. Again it seems that you haven’t read what I said mate !
The whole mortar and mortar attack “VERY ANCIENT WEAPONS” are signs of desperation ! If the UN and So called democratic countries did their job properly none of this would happen ! Read my previous comment PROPERLY SSGMAC !
Emoods.. sorry for hijacking the post !
@Munther:
Whether their troops intentionally attack civilians or not Munther, two wrong simply don’t make a right. I find suicide bombing or any sort of untargeted random attacks carried out just for the sake of attacking absolutely unacceptable.
What’s really annoying is the fact that our mainstream media is doing all it can to legitimize and praise suicide bombing and classifying it as a very noble way of resistance. Don’t get me wrong here, I’m not entirely against dying for one’s beliefs, but what I’m really against is the way this is carried out (usually in night clubs, crowded buses and such).
I simply can’t comprehend the fact that every jew is in fact responsible for the occupation of Palestine just because they happen to live there. I mean, come on!
@SSGMac:
I personally think you are mistaking here, not that I’m a believer in conspiracy theories and such but I do believe (and understand for that matter) why some fighters do carry attack “under the belt”.
Israel intentionally hit civilian targets and there are proofs out there that I simply can’t be bothered to google for. But all of which was a part of show, increasing the civilian casualties was always believed to be a very effective way of manipulating public opinion. The soon aired images and footage of that young child buried under the rebel of her own house she took refuge in had prolonged effects not only on the people inside Lebanon that turned blamed Hezbollah instead of Israel for such attacks and act on that basis in calling for its immediate end. But the effects of which even extended to the rest of the Arab world forming such opinions mainly against Muslims of the sunni sect.
P.S: Thanks for the line breaks
@ Munther
I have been under fire from mortars so I can say that they are indeed not an out-dated or ancient weapon. I picked schools because I have seen (with my own eyes and not comments from FOX News) that many insurgents would seek coverage from potential attacks by placing weapons, ammunition, and explosives in holy sites. Example: in 2004 in An Najaf, Iraq, Sadr’s militia carried artillery shells with set fuses already in place.
They carried the ammunition inside one of the holy Islamic shrines in An Najaf. American UAVs watched and played a live fed to us as we watched as one of these people dropped the shell and it exploded. The shell then caused additional explosions inside this mosque which by our regulations was “off-limits”. The entire building blew up killing dozens of Sadr militia members. Sadr supported by reporters from AL Jazeria stated that the site had been hit by American artillery fire. This among many of the stories that were broadcasted throughout the region were in fact lies.
Thousands protested against the “American attack”. Even we American commanders showed the video to local religious leaders and reporters, it was said to have been “altered, just like 9/11. Hollywood.” Much easier to blame the entire world’s problem on the United States than take the first step of responsibility and say what really happened. But if Sadr did that he could lose popular support and the Iranian involvement might come into public view.
There are many American who do not support Israeli military action or policies. Many have supported and demanded a fair and balance response to the actions of the Israeli government just as much as it acts for control over HAMAS and Hezbollah.
Does the actions of one justify other’s? No it doesn’t.
Another thing I would like to point out to you is that I don’t go around the world preaching hate and promote killing of the innocent because of religious intolerance. This may come as a shock to you mate’ but not all Americans are watching FOX News. We are not all “brain washed” into believing that the country has not made grave mistakes in the past and in the present.
So as far as FOX News I think you are mistaken. I do not agree with anything that AL JAZERIA spits out but I can not say that all Arabs watch it either. That is “type-casting” and everyone is entitled to their own opinion.
You think most Americans would agree if they witnessed a Israeli helicopter firing on innocent civilians? No. We do not, and if you look past the idea that all Americans are right wing conservatives, then you would see that many people do not just sit there and say; “better you than me.”
I have sat around the desert of Iraq and Kuwait for several years. Give me a little credit of understanding the situation than making a blank assessment that my entire knowledge of the Middle East is based on 30 minute breaks of FOX News.
I will give as much creditability to HAMAS and Hezbollah as a political group the minute that they put the weapons away and direct their opposition in a civil manner. It is hard to plead a case to the UN or the “terrible West” when you pay the families of suicide bombers and teach the next generation to strap on a vest with ball bearings and kill some teenagers in a pizza joint.
Sorry for the rebutle moodz. but I just wanted to show that not all Americans turn a blind eye to what goes on with Israel.
@moodz:
I do not agree with weapons purchased from US military contracts or firms are used against civilians by the Israeli military. It is easy to see how hate spreads from one country to another if you see a helicopter made in the US firing American made missiles into a city block and then say, “who is responsible for such actions?”
Many Americans have sought to reduce or limit the amount of American made equipment and gear used by foreign countries. Israel was on the top of the list, but Israel has many political allies and support in Washington and a huge political action committee that supports politicians who then seek immediate support for Israel.
To the average American the troubles of the Middle East has not been that close to our country. Until September 11, 2001 most Americans who have not known the situation in the Middle East, the Israeli support issue, the history of the region, the rise of fundementalism, even the ideas and belief of Islam.
9/11 changed a lot of people’s opinion, some good (as far as opening their mind and start to ask questions on current US policies) and some went bad (demanding an immediate action against someone/anyone who may have been responsible, a deep mistrust of the Arab community).
It was hard to watch as people jumped out the windows of the Trade Towers and crash into parked cars and switch the channel to AL Jazeria and watch as Palestianians dance, honk their horns, and pass out treats to kids in celebration.
One person stated to the press, “it’s about time that this happened. Finally, America gets what it deserves. Praise God.”
So the world changed and many Americans started to ask questions. “Why do they hate us so much?” “Who would want to kill us?”
The economic boom of the 90s has replaced and caused many to forget the wonderful 1980s when it seemed anyone with a holy cause was set for hijacking and blowing up aircraft.
So now what?
We are stuck in Iraq and Afghanistan. Stuck in a situation where groups of people will kill, torture, and behead fellow civilians because of unresolved issues that happen over several hundred years ago.
Nothing like walking downtown Baghdad and come across piles and piles of bodies of kids, old men, boys, teenagers, etc. “Wrong place, wrong time.” was the response from the police chief. “Blood fueds. This stuff can go back several generations.”
The average American military person would rather be sitting at his/her house with their family. No one wants to make that region another part of the US.
The gap between culture understanding and acceptance is so huge between the West and the Middle East right now that it would be impossible to float across it. Can it be fixed or are our children now doomed to repeat our mistakes and my sons will find themselves sitting in Baghdad, hoping to go home not in a body bag, with someone else’s son pointing a weapon at their head, hoping to blow their brains out in the name of God?
SSGMac:
Simply, not everybody plays by the same rules. I know for a fact that the religious shrines were used as weapon storage facilities, and even a refuge at some cases. It is the same technique HAMAS fighters use when using an ambulance as a getaway car or a filling it with explosives and drive it into an Israeli Military checkpoint. As you noted earlier, it’s a war…
But the pictures and footages that were aired around that time of the “American Attacks” on the shrines didn’t exactly show damage caused by explosion as you noted (which I’m sure is only one of many attacks on such shrines) but were obviously caused by some mortar shell or some sort of heavy weaponry.
Now I agree with Munther here to a certain extent, anyone could answer you that the peace in the Middle East and perpetual conflicts in this side of the world isn’t exactly very high in the political concerns of the “typical American” or those that hit the ballots. And that is only acceptable; the mainstream media over there does turn a blind eye to the horrors committed in Israel. It is always bias towards the other side of the equation hence creating a manipulated public opinion towards the issue itself.
I was in the US after 9/11 and I know what you are talking about, I’ve seen it all before my own eyes, lived it and seen the fear in the eyes of my fellow classmates that were simply so ignorant about the whole thing, all of a sudden (and thanks to my name for that) I found myself sitting on the far edge of the whole class being treated as if I had the plague. The world was never the same since then.
It was as if the gates of hell broke loose and fanatics of all sort kept poping up out of no where. Not once have I seen fanatical Muslim scholars that call for the death of America and the Death of the Jews, not once before have I felt the secretarial divides between the people of this country before 9/11.
Sadly, we blame America for all the miseries we created for ourselves. I’m pretty convinced that the US isn’t solely to blame for any of this. But the bullets and artillery used against the civilians in Israel, bomb shells extracted from the houses in Jenin and southern Lebanon with the text “Made in the USA” still tell me otherwise.
Thanks for your contribution, and congratulations on developing a habit of writing in paragraphs.
I think the debate on this post has drifted away from the main point: Ghneim and his newly acquired Bahraini nationality.
I don’t see the legitimacy of Hamas as an integral part of the story. Neither is the Palestinian fight, or the situation in the Middle East and the American & Israeli role.
Thanks for turning the course back! Now that you have noted it, I came across this the other day but it slipped me to post it here. Mr. Ghniem has apparently denied acquiring the Bahraini Nationality, he did say he applied for it a year and a half ago though but it was never granted to him. He even threatened to sue those who hurled and picked on him!
Full story reported by AlWasat here.
@ Moodz
I appreciate your understanding on my comments and I would like to ask if it would be possible to start a thread that focuses on some of the general issues as far as culture differences and misunderstandings that usually end up being turned by the media in the wrong direction. I think such discussions is really one of the main ways that people with different paths and understandings can find some common ground.
Many thanks
SSG Mac’
Really thanks for writing about this. I was gathering up energy to do that, but you have done a such a superior job I have nothing to add! I personally see this as a move by the government to indoctrinate sections of the populations in order to pit them against “other” elements of society. It happened throughout history in many countries and consistently fired back.
The guy himself though, interestingly, denied that he was naturalized. I wonder who to believe.
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