Sexfull Islam – Part I
Following are excerpts from an interview with Bahraini women’s rights activist Ghada Jamshir , which aired on Al-Arabiya TV on December 21, 2005.
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Interviewer: Some people say that Ghada Jamshir is a Sunni, and that this is why she is leading the battle against (mut’ah) marriages, which are authorized by religious law among the Shiites.
Ghada Jamshir: Authorized by religious law?!Interviewer: Among the Shiites, yes.
Ghada Jamshir: Does the Islamic Shari’a authorize mut’ah marriages? Does the Islamic Shari’a authorize mut’ah according to the following classification: “Pleasure from sexual contact with her thighs.” They have: “Pleasure from sexual touching.” “pleasure from sexual contact with her breasts.” “Pleasure from a little girl.” Do you know what “pleasure from a little girl” means? It means that they derive sexual pleasure from a girl aged two, three, or four.Interviewer: Let’s not go into details…
Ghada Jamshir: Let me tell you what “Pleasure from sexual contact with her thighs” means…
Interviewer: Don’t give me the details…
Ghada Jamshir: This is a violation of children’s rights! This constitutes sexual assault of the girl. What does “pleasure from sexual contact with her thighs” mean? It means deriving sexual pleasure from an infant. How old is an infant? One year, a year and a half, a few months?
Is it conceivable for a grown man to have sex with an infant girl? And you people tell me that the Islamic Sharia authorizes this? Forget about the mut’ah. Let’s talk about misyar. What do misyar marriages mean? You said that I’m a Sunni and that’s why I’m attacking the Shiites. No!Interviewer: Some people claim that.
Ghada Jamshir: No, no. What does the misyar marriage mean? A man marries a woman from another town, and goes to her once a month. He “visits” her. He calls her his “wife.”Interviewer: Not necessarily once a month. He might go there every day.
Ghada Jamshir: Brother Turki, this kind of marriage, this kind of behavior, diminishes the woman’s honor as a human being.Via MEMRI TV
I came across those accusations before and like many other scandalous issues within the religion I chose to turn a blind eye to, but since I got in the habit of raving around the same thoughts within the recent posts, I might as well tattle around those..
Now, I have done enough digging to judge that (contradictorily to what a lot of Muslims are claiming) all the points she mentioned are in fact ACCEPTED and ALLOWED in all divisions of Islam (under different names in some cases), the fact of the matter remains that it is solely the communal and social rejection that retained the situation and kept them in the shadows, forming a forbidden dark segment that others (like I did) simply chose to turn a blind eye to, which is to what I see is only expected given the remarkable faith and uneducated beliefs the majority has in the religion.
You see, it is just those types of issues that demonstrate how religion can overcome sane thoughts; I really came through many excuses, and lame justifications through books and online discussions, but I really fail to comprehend this pedophilic tolerance in the religion, you see.. It doesn’t really end by those sick perverted joys. But instead begins with an even bigger concern, Islam allows marriage to girls who have not even reach puberty yet, given the acceptance of the father at least, that is what I think is the real problem.
Dear God.. Do you really don’t care about the sexual abuse, feelings and pains of a 4 year old child when it comes to the sick perverted joy of a believer?
well the islamic scholars say it’s not allowed, must we argue against them?
I can get you more than 20 sources of different scholars allowing it from both major sects of Islam, yet I only know of one that does not.. What “scholars” are your reffering to?
Ahmad, who would you listen to, the scholars or god?
Moodz, I was going to boot up that link.. but I thought it would be kind of repetitive since she just got the Joker award of the year. I think we should really salute this brave soul.. she ushered in very big issues that big tough men weren’t men enough to talk about… thanks for bringing this topic to light, bro.
Well, I guess part of the problem is, that the prophet (pbuh) married his wife Aisha when she was 6 or 9 years old (depending on which hadith you read). So many people believe, that there is nothing wrong in such things. And battling customs, that are based on hadiths or even the quran is like battling windmills. This would require a major reform of islam. Given the fact, that there was virtually not change or progress in the last few hundred years, I really doubt, that we’ll see such a reform in the next few hundred years…
For those of you who required the sources..
Sunni’s:
http://www.islamweb.net/ver2/Fatwa/ShowFatwa.php?lang=A&Id=56312&Option=FatwaId
http://www.islamweb.net/ver2/Fatwa/ShowFatwa.php?lang=A&Id=23672&Option=FatwaId
http://saaid.net/Doat/Najeeb/f122.htm
http://hadith.al-islam.com/display/Display.asp?Doc=0&Rec=7644
Shitte’s:
http://www.rafed.net/books/fegh/menhaj3/menhaj1.html (مسألة 57)
http://www.ansar.org/arabic/radee3ah.htm
http://www.alshirazi.com/compilations/jar/horryat/part7/1.htm
http://www.makaremshirazi.org/books/arabic/resaleh/r26.htm
Do let me know if you need any clarification in the sources I quoted..
The resident infidel has a question:
How are matters like this normally decided? Does each local Imam give his interpretation or is there a leading figure w/ the Shia or Sunni community that speaks with authority?
How do each of you decide? Do you trust in your own interpretation or rely on scholars?
Merry Eid indeed Moodz
“Ghada Jamshir: Does the Islamic Shari’a authorize mut’ah marriages? Does the Islamic Shari’a authorize mut’ah according to the following classification: “Pleasure from sexual contact with her thighs.” They have: “Pleasure from sexual touching.” “pleasure from sexual contact with her breasts.” “Pleasure from a little girl.” Do you know what “pleasure from a little girl” means? It means that they derive sexual pleasure from a girl aged two, three, or four.”
All I can say to that bitch is try not to get mad about not being “touched” when you were a little girl. In case you were wondering about the reason behind that is simple! You are fat and ugly! tough luck! And of course you have so many options to chose from like, http://www.oprah.com and others, to show that you are a women rights activist, I think you should be called womens “savior”. I think your next condemnation should be about allowing women to lead Friday prayers? With bikini tops?
And as for you moodz, I am really starting to feel sad for you. I mean, besides that you are rambling most of the time, and trying to cover “every” fucking subject in this world! I feel that I have to remind you about something. Every person is good at a thing or two. If you were sick for example, will you heal yourself after you diagnosing yourself through sticking your thumb up your ass to check your temperature or something? Of course not (or maybe you do, because Jesus loves you), thats why doctors are there! Who spent fucking 7 years just for a piece of paper so called “certificate”. If you have doubts about what so called “fucking” or “rubbing” with an infidel? Then Islam (or as you said you are not obligated to follow everything in religion blindly) forces you to seek answers from proper sources i.e. Muslim scholars!
There are no fucking conspiracies or bullshit! Let me guess, your next post would be about “we were apes?” Listen, Allah gave two choices either to be good or be bad. There is no fucking in between! “I am democratic, but I believe gay men should be burned, but lesbians I understand” Do you even know what the fuck democracy means? I suggest you visit wikipedia. moodz the bitch thats called Ghada Jamshir and her thoughts are not going to help you, Elvis and his ideology’s won’t help you, McDonald’s won’t help you too when you get wrapped with shroud! (Let me guess, you are going wear a suit and you’ll be in a fancy casket is it? Hollywood “dude” taught you that isn’t it? Man dying the Hollywood way is so coooool” Anyways, I know I have created a superfluous post but mate, do not forget you are arab or 3jmy or holi or whatever, you are not a redneck, you are Bahraini, you show your western friends how you, we live, let them follow “our” style well, not fucking an infidel of course but other stuff.
And lastly, do you know the COPS shows? with the song “Bad boys, badboys, whatcha want, watcha want, whatcha gonna do when they come for you…” imagine that song at the background while reading the following: You have the right to remain silent. Anything you say can and will be used against you in a court of law. You have the right to be speak to an attorney, and to have an attorney present during any questioning. If you cannot afford a lawyer, one will be provided for you at government expense. This is America man.
Anon:
Finally some real controversy and brains here, how nice of you to join in Anon, yet take a chill pill dude, life is too short for a temper like yours! Easy boy!!
Regardless of the childish unnecessary grudge and name calling attitude you have towards Ghada Jamsheer (or evidently anyone and everyone who carries thoughts that don’t go along with yours), I was really thinking of writing a post about women leading prayers, why not?! The best excuse I found when researching the subject was that the acts in the prayers has the women in a very “erotic” positions that might be appealing in a sick sexual way to men who follow? I ask you for heavens sake, what religion is this that claims to be the LEADER in women equality and conserving women’s rights that will confine the presence of a female in the society to her house, family and satisfying the sick sexual needs of her husband? Is this what we strive to be? Is this equality and justice to you? Is this what you want for Bahrain to be?
While you are sad for me, I cry tears of blood for imbeciles like you, with a brain the size of a pea walking around acting cool with your childlike curses and crappy slang that doesn’t add up to shit. Spare me your useless mockery and argue like a fucking adult that you are for gods sakes!
The article along with the sources I provided clearly states an issue I really have a problem with in what you call to be “Islam”, do you bring clarification? Do you bring proof? Do you talk sense? NO, NO and NO! You decide with your utter wisdom to come here, judge me, teach me who I am and how I am supposed to act, call me names and just walk away?!
And you ask me to get my answers from the scholars? What scholars? The answers your scholars gave me don’t get into my simple head (again, refer to my sources above, or do take the time to look around my previous posts) the answers your turban heads gave me are conflicting most of the time, irrational and outdated. Do I close my eyes, delete all my thoughts of my head and nod with agreement, to please people like you?
Is this how you REALLY handle things around here?
Islam my dear friend is not 100% fool proof, with 73 different conflicting sects, those destructing thoughts fail to resemble any sense let alone a religion all together.
“bitches” like Ghada Jamsheer, do rise very valid points sometimes, while your scholars don’t! Or did the guys at wikipidia forgot to mention that the democracy does involve hearing and respecting what others had to say?
Dubh:
Will get back to you shortly..
Can I just clarify something. Anon thinks that the only reason Ghada Jamsheer is attacking the possibility of child abuse is because she herself was not abused as a child. How sick are you? How sad … how very, very sad.
Anon, grab your balls next time and log in with your real account.
well well well, what have we got here, first of all I wasn’t trying to cause a riot! Secondly, moodz I’m serious when I say I have no English accent, or neither trying to get one! I just try to convey my points to the other person(s) mind with minimum efforts i.e. no fancy words or complicated syntax.
Latter poster’s said something like I was sick person or something, I won’t argue or defend myself, but remember that you don’t know me and vice versa, but let me clarify that I was mocking at her unripe knowledge, I was hitting Ghada’s statement about Shia “abusing” or “using” little girls for sex! What the hell does she mean by that? My supreme leader is OK with letting Shia men to see women and little girls as sex objects? Or abusing them while they are kids? Of course I will be infuriated and be sick minded when I hear such hideous immature statements about my believes. I will not discuss more about sexual abusing towards infidels or what soever because you rant, I rant, then someone else rants and we will end up in circulation. Again, some inspector gadget “wanna be” will exhibit some links and some Arabic tattling and says look at this (proof of concept) of religion is bad, well if its bad, make your own religion? You are allowed to say whatever, wherever on Allah’s land and whenever. But at some point there will be opposing mouth. So get over it.
moodz I am sorry if you thought I was being harsh, but we are guys come on? Listen, if you want to talk about shia abusing infidels, temporary marriages also known as muta, I suggest you first get-out of your bed (see http://emoodz.com/?p=150) and pray the Fridays (or will you proclaim with more proofs that Friday prayers were made-up or not important?) before trying to save Islam.
nota bene moodz, if you think I am to much of a burden do tell me, so I can surf away from the blog.
“Do you even know what the fuck democracy means? I suggest you visit wikipedia.”
This statement says a lot about you, anon. But even if we should take the definition for that dubious source, does it say anything about Islamic scholars there? Emoodz is using his brain. What you are suggesting is that we forgo any debate and just listen to what the scholars say. Haven’t we had enough brain farts from these idiot scholars already? How does studying the quran over and over again make them qualified to be experts in economics, phsychology, sex and everything else they get their fingers on? After all, they are only human and therefore fallible. It says so in black and white in the quran.
And you claim to be devoutly Muslim? I suggest you reread your post. It’s full of cussing and insulting? Isn’t this haram, according to your holy book?
“Do you talk sense? NO, NO and NO! You decide with your utter wisdom to come here, judge me, teach me who I am and how I am supposed to act, call me names and just walk away?!”
No Anon, that is what you did! What a hypocrite you are!
Anon:
Let’s get some facts straight here shall we, in your last reply you claim that you were hitting on “Ghada’s statements” and that was not really the case, you attacked her PERSONALLY, calling her a bitch, fat and ugly, like the retarded ass that you are leaving out her statements. Heck, you never mentioned anything at all about her statements or mine! I still don’t know your stand on the issue because you did not even TALK about it!!
And to add insult to injury, its not HER who said that, its not even ME, its your scholars who you think we should all adhere to! (again) sources are up above, (which unsurprisingly you mocked without even checking)!!
I have no problem with you or anyone else being here anon, on the contrary, I do want to hear what you have to say about my posts (as long as they are valid), but for fucks sake, show some respect, not to me but to the rest of the visitors, or better yet, have some for pathetic yourself! I am happy to lend the comments portion of this website for civil dialogue and public debates, but I will not allow it to fall victim to this sort of sick discourse and personal attacks. So please, do keep it civil..
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On a totally different note, part 2 of “Sexfull Islam” was supposed to be about Mut’aa Marriages. And on my Friday prayer post, since you are the only truthful Muslim here, I would assume u do know that Friday prayers are not considered necessary by all Shiite’s scholars (في أثناء غيبة الإمام المنتظر) ? I can give you the sources if they would be of any help (not that I am doubting that you would bother to read them at all).
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Interesting point of view..
Cant really say I agree, but.
Guess we cant agree on everything, right?
God bless Ghada Jamsheer for bringing up this point,I hope that it could bring some awareness to people. Shiite scholars have allowed many sex acts that Islam has clearly prohibited in the quran to take place.
Any true Muslim would not argue about the practice of anal sex, shiite scholars however have given a fatwa that it is undesirable but if the wife agrees then Oh well its okey!!
If there is any doubts to that then please checkout the fatwas in alsistani’s website.
we should stop using islam as aproof to allow our self what is abviously not acceptible such as motaa marriage or other stuff .the only true rules are clearly mentiond in koraan and early days sunnaa,all these strange and controversive fatwas must be studied and fully print by humain well been ,because this is the purpose of islam:creat a society of perfection in witch evry one can live in dignity and self estime and there for the education of our instincts and primary desirs is highly required, thats the soul of shariaa and thats what we should follow.
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thank you manie and Mahaya you said what I wanted to say.
Many of Shiite laws are against the true Islam.
Please take a look at these:
http://www.islamonline.net/servlet/Satellite?pagename=IslamOnline-Arabic-Ask_Scholar/FatwaA/FatwaA&cid=1140693915985
http://www.islamonline.net/servlet/Satellite?pagename=IslamOnline-Arabic-Ask_Scholar/FatwaA/FatwaA&cid=1145175697467
Very interesting site and topic as well. I know its a bit old but I wanted to add my thoughts.
I recently met Ghada Jamsheer quite by chance and she is a firebrand…she has sooo much damn anger towards the Sharia Courts here you can almost smell the energy coming off her. She is relentless and tireless in her pursuit to get all forms of injustice out of Bahrain courts….a very hard task indeed and I wish her all the luck and Gods protection.
About this post. Scholars do not and should not come before the word of God. I dont care if they have divine light coming out one or more orifices of their body…this is not Christianity…there is no Pope in Islam…there is God and you…nothing in the middle. So all the scholars all throughout Islamic history that fabricated, endulged in male superiority, did some political greasing…etc and gave out a fatwa or even “found” a hadith to support their fantasy idea of what Islam is…then all I can say is God help them and the Muslims that follow them. If you follow the laws of man knowing they create injustice and are blatantly contradicting the laws of God…then you are committing shirk(worshipping something other than God)…following man rather than God is a form of worship….right?
As for the poster that asked what kind of scholar would promote or give fatwas etc encouraging sex with children….I do believe the Ayatollah of Iran has a little book called the Little Green Book….if you feel like vomiting and banging your head to get the images out….read that book. You will weep for little girls growing up in Iran that are surrounded by men that give even a glimmer or credence to that perverts fantasies.
I might also add that Shias are not the only ones passing laws or fatwas that contradict Islam…what a stupid thing to say.
And imagine….I wrote all that without saying fuck even once.
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